God’s Will=Oil Pipeline and Iraq War

These absurd quotes will surely make the conservative evangelicals do the wave in their churces next sunday:

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin’s foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska’s governor asked the audience to pray for another matter — a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. “I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,” she said.

I’m in awe.

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19 thoughts on “God’s Will=Oil Pipeline and Iraq War

  1. I’m completely with you on this one: Palin is a disaster. More of a disaster is all the Christians that are supposedly hyped up about politics by this choice.

    However, I will say I saw these quotes on Sullivan’s site and I’m not sure the “pray for our military men and women” quote is that outlandish. She is saying we should be praying that there is a plan and that the plan is God’s.

    I think we should be praying that there is a plan and that it is God’s plan as well. I happen to believe that God’s plan doesn’t involve killing our enemies or bombing innocents but hey, that’s just me. I still can’t knock her for encouraging people to pray that and I would hope that our leaders are seeking God’s will in all we do.

    I only say all this because as bad of a pick I think the pick is, I don’t want to start turning into the conservative media, scouring this woman’s past for every thing she’s ever said and using it against her. I think in our zeal to do so, we end up letting her off the hook because we look so aggressive in putting her down that we don’t let her do it herself.

    This woman is bad enough – it’s going to be obvious. I don’t know… you agree? Disagree?

    Now the pipeline quote…good lord…

  2. It’s not that Palin is a bad person. There’s much in her life story that should be commended and I would be first in line to do so. It’s just that she’s a terrible choice to be our vice president. If a political leader can link an oil pipeline and favors for oil companies to the will of God, they clearly have some deficiencies in understanding how our system of governance works.

    I put the responsibility of this poor choice on McCain’s shoulders. If anything, he took an up and coming political leader and threw her too the wolves when maybe she wasn’t quite ready. She’s totally likable. I am totally opposed to guns, especially assault weapons, but those video clips of her at the shooting range are so cute.

  3. Oh yeah I’m with you. I think she’s a horrible choice. I just get ticked off someone like Dobson will take a quote of Obama’s and twist it into something atrocious when it’s really not that bad. I feel like taking her God and the war quote is almost the same and I was disappointed to see Sullivan do it.

    All I’m saying is that she has enough outrageous quotes on her own – like the pipeline quote – without us having to twist quotes that aren’t that bad. And I, honestly, don’t even find her as likable as you do.

    Peace. And keep up the great blog.

  4. “our leaders… are sending [soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” & “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

    Substitute “God” for “Allah” and play spot the difference between the justifications for the different forms of violence.

    Using “God’s will” as a justification for war is utterly terrifying, because it is irrational and boundless. God’s will can ultimately be whatever an individual wants it to be.

  5. I have a love-hate relationship with your blog, Zach. When you quote and highlight the insanity that follows from stark fundamentalism (especially when it mixes in a horrid political/God’s will/greed concoction), I get all worked up. How do I share my faith with these people? Aaaahhh!!!

    And yet I have to come back for more.

  6. I’m definitely one of the swing-voters that both candidates are trying to reach. The Palin pick is hurting, not helping, McCain’s case. And, you know me, Zach: I’m pretty darn theologically conservative.

    I’m torn because I disagree fundamentally with some of the democratic policies and agendas. However, the democrats seem far, far more competent at a time when we can’t afford incompetence any longer.

    It’s tough.

  7. There is a very thin line between asking for prayer for the will of God to be done and claiming to KNOW the will of God. I’m not bold enough to ever claim to know what God’s will is without it being specifically mentioned in the Bible, and I don’t remember anything about pipelines in there. I think, if anything is clear, it’s that God’s will rarely makes sense to us. And I’m ok with that.

  8. Bingo Blake.

    This is nothing new…

    Remember the last guy we elected as president of the United States?

    Flashback…

    He’s on the deck of an aircraft carrier, proclaiming victory in a recent military effort. Not only was the mission accomplished, according to the leader of the world’s only superpower, but American forces are now occupying this middle eastern country until peace can be fully realized in its boarders.

    This puts Christians in an awkward place.

    Because Jesus was a Middle Eastern man who lived in an occupied country and was killed by the superpower of his day.

    The Roman Empire, which put Jesus on an execution stake, insisted that it was bringing peace to the world through its massive military might, and anyone who didn’t see it this way just might be put on a cross. Emporor Ceaser, who ruled the Roman Empire, was considered the “Son of God”, the “Prince of Peace”, and one of his propaganda slogans was “peace through victory”.

    The insistence of the first Christians was that through this resurrected Jesus Christ, God has made peace with the world. Not through weapons of war but through a naked, bleeding man hanging dead on an execution stake. A Roman execution stake.

    So when the commander in cheif of the most powerful armed forces humanity has ever seen quotes the prophet Isaiah from the Bible in celebration of military victory, we must ask, Is this what Isaiah had in mind?

    A Christian should get very nervous when a flag and the Bible start holding hands. This is not a romance we want to encourage.

    For a growing number of people in our world, it appears that many Christians support some of the very same things Jesus came to set people free from.

    …………

    For more craziness check this out: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

  9. “… a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany … and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama” – Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
    January 7, 2008.

    “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” – Barack Obama on Super Tuesday.

    “I’m asking you to believe.” Obama Campaign Website

    Our world is so jacked up.

    Rob, I can’t wait for your new book!

  10. “I’ll do whatever he says to do. I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.”

    — Halle Berry

    “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

    — Barack Obama

    “Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?”

    — Daily Kos

    “He communicates God-like energy…”

    — Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

    “Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama.”

    — Dinesh Sharma

    “A Lightworker — An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being”

    — Mark Morford

    “Obama’s finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don’t even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves.”

    — Ezra Klein

    “Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind.”

    — Gerald Campbell

    “We’re here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth.”

    — Oprah Winfrey

    Sounds like those conservative right wingy’s like dobson.

  11. Actually Zach, I agree with Jason.

    Here is a quote from a slate article that really articulates the underlying problem…

    “Obama has attracted Jesus comparisons since announcing his candidacy. He’s been described as the party’s savior. A Chicago art gallery displayed a sculpture depicting Obama crowned with a neon halo. Slate’s Timothy Noah kept tabs on these and other revelations in the “Obama Messiah Watch.”

    But now, with Iowa as his witness, Obama is he starting to sound like he believes the prophecies, too. The “epiphany” line was a joke—but he also kind of meant it. Because he’s loose on the stump, self-deprecating yet cocky, Obama gets away with appropriating the language of his own deification. He mocks it, but at the same time reinforces it. It’s hard to be humble when your overflow room is overflowing.

    There were other moments of self-puffery. At one point, he introduced a volunteer as the chair of “Obamans for—” He caught himself. “Nashuans for Obama.” However innocently, Obama had just bestowed himself with fame’s highest honor: his very own adjectival form.

    Then there was his refrain: “In three days’ time …” Politicians always go out of their way to mention the specific date of the election—“Go vote for me on Jan. 8”—just to pound the date into dumb voters’ heads. But he repeated the phrase so much it started to sound like a rosary. “In three days’ time,” he said, voters would have the chance to make history. “In three days’ time,” they could send a message to Washington that the old days are over. Not just “in three days” or “three days from now.” “In three days’ time,” the rock will be rolled away and lo, the tomb will be empty.”

  12. hey jason, you know that when you post as yourself and Rob Bell, you’re sending me the same ISP info? c’mon dude, quit having conversations with yourself. it’s depressing.

  13. I am encouraged to see some people daring enough to step up and voice against the hypocrisy of the air.

    Here is an article I found in the Times

    Gerard Baker-

    “And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

    The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

    When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

    In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.

    And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth – for the first time – to bring the light unto all the world.

    He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the

    Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

    And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

    From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

    And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child’s very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

    And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

    From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

    In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

    As word spread throughout the land about the Child’s wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

    And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child’s journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

    The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

    And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

    Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

    And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

    Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.

    But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.

    And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

    Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

    On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

    And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.” “

  14. for some strange reason Jason, Rob Bell, and Jeremiah are all using the same computer. Fascinating. I didn’t realize you and Rob were that tight!

    jason, you’re killing me here. back away from the keyboard and find some people to talk to. i think you need a real life person to have a conversation with right now. And your imaginary friends Rob and Jeremiah don’t count.

    And if you keep doing this, as in, posting as someone else from your same computer, I’m going to just start deleting your posts.

  15. i like what ron paul said about fascism. he said the symbol will be a cross wrapped in an american flag.

    i think both parties need to back off on the religious talk. when talking about barack it’s just connotations that mean nothing, but the words seem important. when it’s conservatives it sounds like nationalism(it actually is).

    but the great thing about what Jesus actually did was not coming as a political leader to bring about an earthly kingdom, but a kingdom beyond. barack could never touch that so we don’t have to panic. we do need to start thinking more about what people say and not just buy into the flighty words ascribed to politicians.

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